Certainly within our understanding of reality computers exist. But I see red, and Mr Colorblind sees blue, and Mr Amish sees the work of the devil in all electronics. I use my computer to check my mail, come here, etc. Mr Amish only sees me losing my soul. A computer becomes more than just a hunk of junk. And to the junkie computers don't exist anywhere but in our minds. In fact, reality becomes something more or less a vacuum of thought, emotion, blah blah blah. And if nothing happens after this life, then nothingness does exist, so how can anything exist, let alone a computer? urgh. I'm going to bed now. ------------------------------------------------------------------------